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Keesa · Jun 07, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Nim

No that would be offensive to most because it implies antisimitism (similar to racism, but since "jew" is not a race, racism would be incorrect term), far from my example.

Not far at all. Anti-Semitism by your definition is anti-religion. "God of Sodomy" implies a religious connection to anal, bestial, or forced sexual activity. For monotheistic people, this is anti-monotheism. For many polytheistic people who accept the last definition of sodomy, this is still offensive as it implies that a deity would be connected to what is perceived by the majority of adults in the world to be immoral.

Anti-religion is anti-religion.

Chuck Wagon · Jun 07, 2005, 09:10 PM // 21:10

I think Nim means "Adult Thinking" as in Adult Entertainment.

You're deluded if you don't understand why the name was offensive.
He (you?) read (should have anyway) the TOS when he (you?) set up his (your?) account. He (you?) clicked in that little "[ ] I agree" check box.

What can I say?

Got what was coming . . .

Sting · Jun 07, 2005, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

and exactly how do YOU define Sodomy so that it isn't an offensive word?

Well its a sexual act. So if you consider sex offensive then ya cant define Sodomy as un-offensive. And you are here not because of that act your here from a sexual act

. Although it might be something in the TOA's naming violations.

If he had the name since Beta they should allow him to make a name change, they could do it for him but changing it in the data base or at least give him a generic name so he could get his stuff.

CtrlAltDel · Jun 07, 2005, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Yamat

There wasn't a naming policy in beta.. probably because it was, erm... beta! You don't release EULA's etc until you go live.. there's more important things to deal with--they were spending all day every day reading /bug reports!

So then this issue should have been met head on prior to the release, not a month afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Keesa

Actually, you're right. "Offensive" isn't an evolving thing, per se. The name was offensive upon creation to somebody somewhere.

It just took time to find someone willing to say, "This is so repugnant to me that I am impelled to report it." And that is most certainly not A.net's fault.

Yes that is part what I'm saying, but this character was in anet's system for quite some time before they go around to 'slapping him on the wrists'

I'm not saying if its offensive or not, what I'm citing is the way anet handled the situation, from BWE to the deletion of the character, thats the part that jumps out at me.

Seriously do you all sit at your computer and report 'offensive names'? Nobody makes you play with them, stay in the same town with them, or even read or look at them.

Nim · Jun 07, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Most of you are missing the point and starting a argument over what is and isnt offensive and that's futile, everyone has different views. Clearly they found the name offensive and made a decision to not allow the name. In my opinion the name, because of it being sexual in nature but not vulgar, puts it in a gray area at worse. ncsoft, because of the EULA has the right to ban what ever they want, but, my whole point is, its a very conservitive decision, the name has been use on many games prior, and being that they are more conservetive than others in thier policies, they should have made arrangements to offer a name change prior or warned that they intended to be more conservetive in their naming policies.

kirab · Jun 07, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

It's too much of a gray area, I don't believe that ncsoft has the right to say that "God of Sodomy" (who exactly is it offending?) is offensive, and therefore he should just be able to change his name.

If the name was something else, like let's say, "Hitler Pwnz", then yes, he should get permanently banned.

Keesa · Jun 07, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

So then this issue should have been met head on prior to the release, not a month afterwards.

Yes that is part what I'm saying, but this character was in anet's system for quite some time before they go around to 'slapping him on the wrists'

I'm not saying if its offensive or not, what I'm citing is the way anet handled the situation, from BWE to the deletion of the character, thats the part that jumps out at me.

Seriously do you all sit at your computer and report 'offensive names'? Nobody makes you play with them, stay in the same town with them, or even read or look at them.

I have this really great "idiot filter" developed over years of dealing with gamers, which community seems to have a large population of the socially inept, so personally no--most of the time I don't even see it and when I do, I just choose not to group up with them (I wonder if this is why people complain there is a monk shortage...).

No, it has to be something hateful to the community at large--ie., racist or mysogynistic--for me to consider reporting it, and then only if it's a game without an NC17 rating. If children aren't supposed to be playing the game, I expect their parents to keep them from doing so, but if that rating is not NC17, I'm going to be part of the solution and not the problem.

Madjik · Jun 07, 2005, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I dont honestly belive nim's upset about the ban so much as the ban without a chance to redeem.

This friends been playing since the beta world events? Thats alot of work he had on that account, and now its gone. No chance to rename his char and keep all that work. Flushed down the toilet like a dead fish. So tell me, if the rest of you created a character with a name you didnt belive was offensive, how upset would you be if you got on and found that it was banned with no chance what~so~ever to rename the character to somthing a little less vulgar stripping you of months of play?

I wouldnt be too happy thats for sure, and as a personal opinion I dont belive thats very good customer service. Now lets say he got 2 or 3 strikes (seriously if he named a character somthing offensive 2 or 3 times in a row he's obviously doing it to annoy someone). Wouldnt this be a little more fair to the amount of time and effort he put on the character?

C-Tzar · Jun 07, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Nim

Most of you are missing the point...

The point wasn't missed. You gave the opinion that the punishment should have been less severe and listed your reasons. Fine. Noted. The overwhelming majority gave their oppinion that ANet did the right thing and listed their reasons. The fact they we don't agree with you has nothing to do with missing YOUR point. And where's you "friend" in all of this? Why does he need you to speak for him? (not that we don't all already know the answer)

der kur · Jun 07, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

(a) Eligibility. Accounts are available only to adult individuals 18 years of age or older.

Your kids shouldn't be playing a game meant for adults. Hell, I doubt any child could even understand how to play this game, other than stripping down their character and doing /dance. And the rest of you that complain about offensiveness should turn off GW now and go play some kiddy games where everything is perfect and the vulgar corruption of the "uncivilized" world cannot pass into your brain. Might as well turn off your tvs, burn all your books, filter the hell out of your internet because OFFENSIVENESS is EVERYWHERE! I think the people that report offensive names should be the ones that get banned for being little babies. Your suppose to be an adult, why not act like it.

And so what if he had that so called offensive name to you, you may see it what for maybe 2 seconds before you leave the city for your next quest/mission? Get over it you Bible Thumping Sissies.

C-Tzar · Jun 07, 2005, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Madjik

...if the rest of you created a character with a name you didnt belive was offensive...

And this is where your entire argument falls apart. Give me a break.

Doctor Anomalo · Jun 07, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

and i was going to make a ranger beast master with the name: bestiality master.

what a loss.

Nim · Jun 07, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Keesa

Not far at all. Anti-Semitism by your definition is anti-religion. "God of Sodomy" implies a religious connection to anal, bestial, or forced sexual activity. For monotheistic people, this is anti-monotheism. For many polytheistic people who accept the last definition of sodomy, this is still offensive as it implies that a deity would be connected to what is perceived by the majority of adults in the world to be immoral.

Anti-religion is anti-religion.

No... being offended by a name becasue it has religous connection is not the same as be antisemitic which refers to hatred or distain for a specific group of people of a certain religion... and the semantics are getting foolish.

antisemitism and irrevrance is not the same thing.

Madjik · Jun 07, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by C-Tzar

And this is where your entire argument falls apart. Give me a break.

It wasnt exactly an argument friend. mearly a statement, if you dont agree with it fine. I've said what i needed to say and beyond this post I wont say more.

Take it or leave it thats up to you. I dont really care either way.

and once again, the offensiveness of the name doesnt matter with the point I was making.

Keesa · Jun 07, 2005, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Nim

No... being offended by a name becasue it has religous connection is not the same as be antisemitic which refers to hatred or distain for a specific group of people of a certain religion... and the semantics are getting foolish.

antisemitism and irrevrance is not the same thing.

Your irreverance is someone else's anti-Semitism. Give me a break.

Teklord · Jun 07, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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I think the people that report offensive names should be the ones that get banned for being little babies.

And this would fly how? For that matter... where is logic in that one? Let's ban the mature people that make the gaming world a livable decent experience. Yeah, that idea scores points.

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So tell me, if the rest of you created a character with a name you didnt belive was offensive...

Come on now.. you really think that word just came to him? He knew what it meant when he picked it. I've said that in a previous post, but obviously I need to remind you. Picking names based on words or topics that modern society would consider controversial is a recipe for disaster. Sooner or later the pot will boil over.

Nim · Jun 07, 2005, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Doctor Anomalo

and i was going to make a ranger beast master with the name: bestiality master.

what a loss.

Now that is a cleaver name, but according to, apparently the majority of this forums paticipants, would be offensive and should be banned with the player flogged tarred and featherd and banned froever from the internet.

C-Tzar · Jun 07, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Madjik

It wasnt exactly an argument friend. mearly a statement, if you dont agree with it fine. I've said what i needed to say and beyond this post I wont say more.

I don't completely disagree with you. I believe it IS possible (though difficult) to create a name and not realize that it could be offensive to some. My point is that this is not the case here.

Dirkiess · Jun 07, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Chuck Wagon

I think Nim means "Adult Thinking" as in Adult Entertainment.

You're deluded if you don't understand why the name was offensive.
He (you?) read (should have anyway) the TOS when he (you?) set up his (your?) account. He (you?) clicked in that little "[ ] I agree" check box.

What can I say?

Got what was coming . . .

Be careful what you say or you may be called sexist.

Here come the feminists in this camp ready to ban him on the basis of being sexist.

Nim · Jun 07, 2005, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Teklord

Picking names based on words or topics that modern society would consider controversial is a recipe for disaster. Sooner or later the pot will boil over.

First irreverance and now controversial is immediately offensive and taboo? Wow, forward thinking people here in a game intended for adults only. **end of sarcasm**